Talk:Cristero War

Template needed

This needs to use the Template:Battlebox, like seen on Polish-Soviet War for example. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 12:17, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Human rights or civil rights

I changed "human rights" to "civil rights" since that is a more accurate description of the rights involved: voting, freedom of expression, the right to wear clerical garb. 24.126.41.116 07:31, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC) aka User:Italo Svevo

A few minor changes and a proposed improvement.

Fixed some word choices for readability and NPOV.

Also, shouldn't this article make some reference to the Sinarquista movement? I'll leave it to someone with a better grasp of the topic.

Second Cristero War

I think this article should be extended to cover the second Cristero War ("La Segunda") which lasted from 1934 to 1941. Alternatively, a separate article (similar to the one in the Spanish Wikipedia) could be written. The part about "Martyrs of Education" could then be merged with the new section/article.

Alleged KKK and KoC involvement

It would seem that once again, there seems to be a consensus that the KKK and KoC were involved, but this involvement is constantly being removed, from one specific, very odd individual who keeps vehemently saying "NO"! Interestingly, this individual seems to use the same or similar IP addresses all reporting back to Atlanta, GA and Ann Arbor, MI. Given the variety of addresses from two very specific geographical areas, it's very possible this individual is using a VPN or the Tor browser. This one person seems to be in conflict from almost everyone else who has added onto this article. This type of revisionist history is unfortunately very common in today's times, when fearmongering about "indoctrination" and "critical race theory" are constantly blasted over the news from certain media sources. It's unfortunate that some people would try to paint an organization such as the KKK in a positive light to fit a certain narrative, but that type of biased politics has no place on Wikipedia, where it is supposed to be objective and politically neutral, as to not favor one side or the other. I will keep my personal politics out of this, however it is painfully obvious why someone would try to erase KKK involvement in something; it is because they have a narrative to push. And that will just simply not be tolerated here. If you are looking to tell everyone how great the KKK is, by all means, do that, but please, not on Wikipedia. There are other websites (although not mainstream) that will support that narrative, but Wikipedia is not one of them. Trainerash123 (talk) 03:51, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi, it's me, (one of?) the odd individual(s).

I would ask that, instead of building yourself a narrative about my location and use of high-tech hacking tools, you instead provide a source for the claim that the organization synonymous with racist terrorism in the US "supported" one side of the war (note: Meyer's coffeetable book does not make this claim, see above); without a source, it's pretty clearly an attempt to smear the government side of the conflict by association.

To try to characterize editor(s) removing that smear as "painting the KKK in a positive light" really strains the "assume good faith" policy.

Reverting unsourced misinformation is not "political bias", and issuing ultimatums is not building consensus.

Hope this clears things up, but there are at least four other threads on this page on this exact subject that may provide more context. Please stop adding this blatant smear to the infobox. Thanks! ShadyNorthAmericanIPs (talk) 15:08, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm kind of done arguing about this, it's pretty obvious you're part of a fringe group of people who think the KKK was some great organization and is trying to erase any of their history from discrimination against other groups of people, such as Catholics in this case, to paint them in a positive light. You're in disagreement with almost everyone else here. The only "smear" here is you trying to champion some valiant effort to make the KKK look great by using revisionist history and trying to erase their participation in historical events. By all means, put on your white hood and spread your KKK propaganda somewhere else, but this is a POLITICALLY NEUTRAL website, how many times does this need to be said? I don't care how great you think the KKK was, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES TO STATE THAT OPINION. But Wikipedia, is NOT, and never will be one of those places. Me and other editors will keep restoring the factual, historical information no matter how many times you try to erase it. End of story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trainerash123 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

😬 ShadyNorthAmericanIPs (talk) 17:11, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Have you ever actually read our WP:NPOV policy? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:12, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

• Just a note that the body of the article does not say that the KKK supported Calles just that members offered to support Calles. We can't say something in the infobox which is neither sourced or in the article. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:01, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

On the Knights of Columbus role, read pp 78 and 97-101 and 193 of M. Elizabeth Ann Rice, The diplomatic relations between the United States and Mexico, as affected by the struggle for religious liberty in Mexico, 1925-1929 (Catholic University of America Press, 1959) online Rice does not mention the KKK. Rjensen (talk) 02:40, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

I think I might have been the only editor who was taking issue with the KoC -- but that was fully on the basis of the Lawrence 2020 ref from the article calling their support "negligible", which played into my concern that the KoC was added as some sort of false "ideological balance" for the inclusion of the Klan.

I've definitely come around since then to supporting their placement in the infobox; I haven't read the Rice article, but Dodson's 2019 Fanáticos, Exiles, and Spies pretty convincingly laid out their covert and overt support; even Meyer's three-volume history identifies them as founding members of the Liga. And of course neither mentions the Klan at all (going by archive.org full-text searches for the latter).

So belated apologies for confusing this discussion even more by tethering those two American groups based on my own ignorance and bad assumptions. ShadyNorthAmericanIPs (talk) 21:59, 10 May 2023 (UTC)